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	<title>Comments on: The Wages of Sin</title>
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		<title>By: Lee Rowan</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37102</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Wave.

If the screed of plot requirements sent out by the Great Big Romance Publishing Machine is not a &#039;formula,&#039; I don&#039;t know what is.  There are a lot of books turned out to fit formula.  And I don&#039;t see that acknowledging the existence of formula is an attack on an entire genre, nor on a specific writer.  After all the people who whomped False Colors because it didn&#039;t sail close enough to a &quot;real&quot; romance plot--I do think it&#039;s fair to say that yes, there are quite a lot of readers who DO want their formula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Wave.</p>
<p>If the screed of plot requirements sent out by the Great Big Romance Publishing Machine is not a &#8216;formula,&#8217; I don&#8217;t know what is.  There are a lot of books turned out to fit formula.  And I don&#8217;t see that acknowledging the existence of formula is an attack on an entire genre, nor on a specific writer.  After all the people who whomped False Colors because it didn&#8217;t sail close enough to a &#8220;real&#8221; romance plot&#8211;I do think it&#8217;s fair to say that yes, there are quite a lot of readers who DO want their formula.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahFrantz</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37100</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahFrantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understood. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahFrantz</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37098</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahFrantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leslie: Dammit, writing too quickly and not checking souces. Thanks so much for correction. I appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leslie: Dammit, writing too quickly and not checking souces. Thanks so much for correction. I appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wave</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37096</link>
		<dc:creator>Wave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Frantz
While you are at liberty to disagree with a review I will not allow personal attacks on the reviewers. 

&gt;&gt; It just makes you look like a jerk and reflects badly on the thing for which you’re advocating&lt;&lt;
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I&#039;m sorry but this comment is totally out of line, inappropriate and just rude. Every review is a personal opinion of the reviewer and they should be respected as such. You may not agree with Erastes&#039;s review but I would request that you refrain from using this review as a platform to raise other, much broader issues that have nothing to do with Alex&#039;s book. 
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This site is open to anyone who can  disagree without being discourteous or offensive and I would appreciate it if you would keep your comments to this review. If you have any personal issues with Erastes this is not the place to air them.
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Frantz<br />
While you are at liberty to disagree with a review I will not allow personal attacks on the reviewers. </p>
<p>>> It just makes you look like a jerk and reflects badly on the thing for which you’re advocating<<<br />
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I&#8217;m sorry but this comment is totally out of line, inappropriate and just rude. Every review is a personal opinion of the reviewer and they should be respected as such. You may not agree with Erastes&#8217;s review but I would request that you refrain from using this review as a platform to raise other, much broader issues that have nothing to do with Alex&#8217;s book.<br />
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This site is open to anyone who can  disagree without being discourteous or offensive and I would appreciate it if you would keep your comments to this review. If you have any personal issues with Erastes this is not the place to air them.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37095</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a small clarification: it&#039;s Blessed Isle by Alex Beecroft and it is included in the Hidden Conflict anthology.
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L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a small clarification: it&#8217;s Blessed Isle by Alex Beecroft and it is included in the Hidden Conflict anthology.<br />
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L</p>
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		<title>By: Erastes</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37093</link>
		<dc:creator>Erastes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry I said anything to annoy you, Sarah, it certainly wasn&#039;t meant.  I trust you will allow me to have my own personal opinion about matters--I don&#039;t expect anyone to agree with me, of course, but that&#039;s what reviews are, personal opinions, and from my perspective, this is the best thing Alex has written.  That you think others are, are entirely your prerogative, and I&#039;d never be so bold as to disagree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I said anything to annoy you, Sarah, it certainly wasn&#8217;t meant.  I trust you will allow me to have my own personal opinion about matters&#8211;I don&#8217;t expect anyone to agree with me, of course, but that&#8217;s what reviews are, personal opinions, and from my perspective, this is the best thing Alex has written.  That you think others are, are entirely your prerogative, and I&#8217;d never be so bold as to disagree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahFrantz</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37092</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahFrantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you say here about this story, although I&#039;d have to seriously disagree that this is the best thing Alex has written. (I think False Colors and Hidden Isle were both better, but maybe I&#039;m reading for different things than you are.)

That aside however, please stop saying this: &quot;The relationship [ . . . ] ably shows why gay romance, and particularly gay historical romance baulks from being shoe-horned into a formula that readers of hetero romances have become used to.&quot; You&#039;ve said it before many times that I know of, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll say it again, but it&#039;s just not true. Seriously, Erastes, if you can say this with a straight face, you haven&#039;t read very widely in het romance. There is just as much &quot;formula&quot; (although I would call it convention) in m/m romance, esp. m/m historical romance, as there is in het romance. AND there&#039;s much more experimentation. I&#039;m sorry, but if you can read Kinsale and Kleypas and Milan and Dahl and James and Holly and Beverley and Quick and Schwab and Ivory and Joyce, to mention only a few historical writers, and say they all write to a formula, you&#039;re not reading closely enough. And if you can read the m/m historicals out there (which doesn&#039;t touch the het romantic contemporary and romantic paranormals and romantic space odysseys and romantic steam punk and romantic suspense and romantic mysteries) and honestly say they&#039;re doing something completely different from het historical romancae, you&#039;re reading with blinders on.

Do not try to raise one thing by trying to push down another. It just makes you look like a jerk and reflects badly on the thing for which you&#039;re advocating. And alienates the bulk of your readers. Maybe not the bulk of the readers here, but certainly the bulk of your actual readers, who all read voraciously and read m/m and het romance indiscriminately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you say here about this story, although I&#8217;d have to seriously disagree that this is the best thing Alex has written. (I think False Colors and Hidden Isle were both better, but maybe I&#8217;m reading for different things than you are.)</p>
<p>That aside however, please stop saying this: &#8220;The relationship [ . . . ] ably shows why gay romance, and particularly gay historical romance baulks from being shoe-horned into a formula that readers of hetero romances have become used to.&#8221; You&#8217;ve said it before many times that I know of, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll say it again, but it&#8217;s just not true. Seriously, Erastes, if you can say this with a straight face, you haven&#8217;t read very widely in het romance. There is just as much &#8220;formula&#8221; (although I would call it convention) in m/m romance, esp. m/m historical romance, as there is in het romance. AND there&#8217;s much more experimentation. I&#8217;m sorry, but if you can read Kinsale and Kleypas and Milan and Dahl and James and Holly and Beverley and Quick and Schwab and Ivory and Joyce, to mention only a few historical writers, and say they all write to a formula, you&#8217;re not reading closely enough. And if you can read the m/m historicals out there (which doesn&#8217;t touch the het romantic contemporary and romantic paranormals and romantic space odysseys and romantic steam punk and romantic suspense and romantic mysteries) and honestly say they&#8217;re doing something completely different from het historical romancae, you&#8217;re reading with blinders on.</p>
<p>Do not try to raise one thing by trying to push down another. It just makes you look like a jerk and reflects badly on the thing for which you&#8217;re advocating. And alienates the bulk of your readers. Maybe not the bulk of the readers here, but certainly the bulk of your actual readers, who all read voraciously and read m/m and het romance indiscriminately.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Beecroft</title>
		<link>http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/?p=14760&#038;cpage=1#comment-37087</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Beecroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!  Yes, I&#039;d fit right in with the silly Vikings.  And as far as the wages of sin being.. more sin, that&#039;s very true too :)

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  Yes, I&#8217;d fit right in with the silly Vikings.  And as far as the wages of sin being.. more sin, that&#8217;s very true too <img src='http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Erastes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erastes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do let me know if you loved it as much as I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do let me know if you loved it as much as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Erastes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erastes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll love it, I&#039;m sure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll love it, I&#8217;m sure</p>
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